
FanHouse's Tom Ziller argues his ranking of the top 50 players in the NBA.
For a few easily ascertained reasons, Manu Ginobili almost never get mentioned in the same breath as the league's top two-guards. He gets ignored in favor of fellows like Michael Redd and, prior to last season, Ray Allen. Manu gets respect -- don't get that twisted. But it's always as a sixth man, as a firestarter and not as one of the best in the NBA, no qualifiers necessary. His role and style are so different from Kobe and Wade and Redd and Iverson that it knocks him out of the conversation, which is unfair to all of us.
Manu, despite being a primary scorer for the Spurs, has never topped 20 points per game. He has also never topped 31 minutes per game. A.I. outscored Manu by seven points a game last season, which would indicate A.I. is the better scorer, right? But when you adjust for minutes (Iverson played 42), the two turn out virtually identical per-minute scoring numbers. There would be a further adjustment for pace, and Ginobili takes fewer FGAs and FTAs per minute than Iverson ... while still being his equal as a scorer.
Ginobili has a tremendous shooting stroke from everywhere on the court. We know all about his slashing efforts, including that old bastion of self-respect and congeniality, the flop. I'm not here to cast judgments on sissy, nancy-boy tactics, though: Manu works to get himself to the charity stripe, but he doesn't rely on it: he's a career 38% three-point shooter, and a guy who takes plenty of those. He's in a similar category as Chauncey Billups and Kevin Martin in terms of maximizing output by focusing on drawing fouls and hitting threes; it's a huge boon to efficiency when you make your toughest shots at the level of highest reward, or when you offset them by drawing a whistle. If you can shoot as well as Manu from distance, you should hit that buzzer repeatedly. Manu realizes this.
One area of Manu's game which is especially strong is rebounding. The Spurs have one of the better rebounders of all-time in Tim Duncan, but one man isn't winning the war on the boards. San Antonio has always focused on adding pieces which rebound well for their position. Manu's a classic case. The average two-guard corrals approximately 6.5-7% of all rebound opportunities when they are on the court. Manu ups that to 9%. It doesn't look like much in the box score -- again, the minutes per game and the glacial S.A. pace dampen the normal counting stats -- but it's a real boon.
Manu has also become an above-average passer. He turns the ball over a little too much, but it's acceptable given his role as primary playmaker when he subs in. (He uses 28% of the Spurs' possessions when he's in the game, an extremely high number.) When we look at Manu's development, it's easy to wonder if perhaps every team could benefit from slotting their best perimeter scorer in as a sixth man. It's a tricky gambit. Last season, S.A. had some truly woeful offensive performances, ones in which the team began a quarter in the tank and couldn't pull themselves out. Two years, Duncan was fresh enough to keep that from happening, and the league hadn't figured out Tony Parker (to the minor degree he has been figured out as of now, that came quite recently). Manu might not have been the team's best weapon two years ago. But he's a little more necessary these days -- and his minutes have been increasing. Could we see Manu slotted back in as a full-time starter once he's back from injury?
That's the key: you have to be able to run an efficient offense without your top threat in order to allow your top threat to come off the bench. A Kings line-up without Kevin Martin is going to get skunked before the six-minute mark. It might work in Milwaukee, which either Redd or Richard Jefferson sliding in off the bench, assuming Andrew Bogut and Charlie Villanueva can put points up. Could Miami put Wade in Team USA mode, and let Shawn Marion and Michael Beasley handle scoring duties early? It's an interesting question each team needs to answer individually. Almost none will decide the ploy is right for them. As I said, the Spurs could very well abandon it, should Parker slip or Michael Finley disappear. And in Manu, they have the perfect player for the strategy. There aren't many others who could do what he does.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
9-25-2008 @ 9:41AM
SR said...
Clearly, Manny is a real boon to the Spurs.
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9-25-2008 @ 10:25AM
frank said...
If the basics for this NBA top 50 are for what happened
last year then Lebron and Rip should be out of the top
10 so is Bosh but Manu # 12 ? I don't think so ;
In fact, Manu should be in the top 10 , still.
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9-25-2008 @ 10:36AM
frank said...
By the way how about Wade ?
How about Howard ?
Them 2 should be lucky if they qualify for
# 20 or above, same.
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9-25-2008 @ 1:12PM
Aleks said...
Ok, that settles it. Joe Johnson is out and Rip Hamilton as well. The final 11 are (probably in completely different order): Lebron, Kobe, Duncan, Paul, Wade, Garnett, Howard, Bosh, Dirk, Yao, Amare.
While I can understand that Rip Hamilton is not in the Top 50 (as I said before, the Detroit core is very hard to evaluate in terms of individual impact), I'm surprised about Joe Johnson. There are at least 10 players on this list I would choose after Joe Johnson, but who am I to tell.
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9-25-2008 @ 2:01PM
Prowler420 said...
I hate Manu....
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9-25-2008 @ 2:14PM
David said...
One thing that I don't think is emphasized in this post is Manu's lack of durability.
Yes, Iverson and Manu score the same on a per-minute-basis, but if Ginobili actually had to play as many minutes as Iverson, his efficiency would almost certainly drop. The Spurs know they have to manage his minutes or he could break down.
Manu hasn't shown that he's a horse that can give you 38+ minutes a night and carry the offense on his own.
He's still a top 20, probably top 15 player in the league... but to me, that puts him at a level below Kobe, Bron, Wade, and maybe a couple other elite scorers.
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9-26-2008 @ 9:58AM
Mark said...
Ginobili is definitely a top 5 player in the NBA. The fact that he has so many haters is a prove of that. Who hates a good or avarage player. Only the great ones generate hate, like Jordan did, or Kobe and Manu do now. But he is so unselfish that if he wasn't as great as he is he would go absolutely unnoticed in the small market that San Antonio is.
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9-25-2008 @ 10:46PM
grover said...
I'm surprised Manu didn't flop his way further down this list.
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10-18-2008 @ 8:54PM
tee said...
Manu is not good enough to be #12.....this list is kinda wacked..NO WAY he is better than Nash, A.I., T-Mac, Boozer, or Melo....WTF is up with that? He would MAYBE crack the top 30....big MAYBE. I would take Tony Parker over Manu anyday.
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10-21-2008 @ 7:57AM
Rodrigo said...
finally someone giving credit to one of the best all time winning basketball players in the history of the game... if you tickets and flash get AI... if you want to win get Manu...
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