Supporting casts are central factors in any comparison of LeBron James and Kobe Bryant -- or any two great players, really. The reaction toward the quality of a star's teammates can go either way: Kobe can be held back by Kwame Brown, or propped up by Pau Gasol; LeBron's numbers can be inflated by a lack of help, or discounted by a lack of ... well, help.There's no clear way to grade Kobe's pips to LeBron's backing band; if there were, it'd be impossible to say for sure what it all means. We aren't that advanced. But we can look at each team's dependency on its signature star.
This is not a fail-safe assertion of superiority between the pair. There will be time for that, but think of this more as a description of the environments each star exists within rather than a hierarchy of swag. Once again, for the skimmers: THIS POST DOES NOT MEAN THAT LEBRON > KOBE or KOBE > LEBRON. (We cool? Cool.)
LeBron and Kobe are extremely vital to their teams; this is indisputable. Take either away, and the resulting roster is not elite. We have any number of metrics that tell us this is so, and only the most cynically stupid will argue this. On the whole, LeBron has incredible import to the Cavaliers and Kobe has incredible import to the Lakers.
What about on a game-to-game basis, though? Do the teams rise and fall with their stars? If LeBron has a bad game, does Cleveland suffer? If Kobe plays poorly, do the Lakers fail? To investigate, I lined up each player's GameScore (a well-regarded single-game Hollinger box score metric) with his team's final result (using points margin: a 110-105 win would be a +5, and a 110-105 loss is a -5) for every game played since 2006-07. How strong is the correlation? Do the teams lose more and by larger margins when the star's individual performance is bad?
For LeBron and the Cavs, the answer is yes: there is a 0.24 correlation between LeBron's GameScore and Cleveland's points margin. It's more magnified in "Bad 'Bron" games (0.32) but valid in good/great 'Bron games (0.13). A solid connection exists between LeBron's individual performance and Cleveland's performance. Makes perfect sense, right?But the Lakers seem much less dependent on Kobe's performance: the correlation between Bryant's GameScore and the Lakers' result is a smaller 0.07. In "Bad Kobe" games and "Good Kobe" games, the difference is slight. The Cavaliers rise and fall with LeBron more than is the case with Kobe and the Lakers.
Once again: This isn't a measure of superiority. To wit, Vince Carter has a correlation stronger than LeBron's over the past 2-1/2 years (0.43). There are other factors at play here; one obvious variable in this instance is consistency. Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus pointed out to me that back in Seattle's heyday, Brent Barry would likely have had a high GameScore-to-team score correlation because when Barry was on, the team was unstoppable ... while Gary Payton was so consistent game to game that his individual performance wouldn't blip team performance too much. Because Payton's performance was consistent, Seattle's dependency on his excellence would be masked by such a measure.
Consistency remains another of basketball's white whales, but we can take a Polaroid of the situation in this case. It's easy to see Vince is inconsistent compared to the other two stars: 41% of Carter's games since 2006-07 register less than a 15 GameScore (roughly average for a starter), while only 15% and 23% of LeBron's and Kobe's games (respectively) fall under that mark. Carter is good, but (far) more apt to have a bad game than the other stars. His performance is more of a variable than the others'; he is the Brent Barry in this case, while LeBron and Kobe fit more of a "pencil it in" motif.
But take a look again, there: LeBron is less frequently bad than Kobe. And his correlation to team performance is stronger. So when LeBron is bad -- which is infrequent -- the Cavs fall apart. When Kobe's bad -- which is infrequent -- the Lakers tend to survive. The relationship is negligible with Kobe, visible with LeBron ... even though both rarely have "bad" games.
It may be too smoky to say for sure, but it would appear the Cavaliers are more dependent on LeBron than the Lakers are on Kobe. And if that is indeed the case (as it would appear), that says something either about the dominance of the player or the quality of the supporting cast. We're knee-deep in hedges and theory at this point, so draw your own conclusions.










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I have never seen a writer struggle so much for balance but the amazing thing is that you pulled it off.
Thanks, Nnadi. I'm just trying to be descriptive here, and I wanted to make sure I got that across. Glad it worked for your reading.
let's just agree to disagree.
Just a point to throw out: what most people would consider a "bad game" by Kobe is not really a bad game often times. Kobe is known to tone down his game a lot to do what it takes to get the W since last season. Of course there are games where Kobe does play badly and his teammates pick up the slack, but that's a rare occurrence. What's more frequent is Kobe having what appears like a bad game, but is really helping his teammates win the game without directly adding to the boxscore. On the flip side, when I see Lebron have a bad boxscore, he really is having a bad game. Kobe tends to change his game much more dynamically than Lebron.
Jessica...You do not really beleive that a championship ring is a measure that one player is better than another player. Under that logic every player with a championship ring is a better player than LeBron... Do you think you make any sense at all?
Evan...
You wouldn't happen to be a Laker fan, would you? That is the most biased post I have heard. I watch Lebron almost every game. Very seldom does he actually have a bad game. He hangs back unless he is needed. He actually has sat out many games in the 4th quarter if we are up significantly. I do not know about Kobe since I do not see him very often. If you watch the Cavs I do not think you could honestly post something like you just did.
You misunderstood me. I never said Lebron frequently had bad games. This article based its conclusion on stats. So what I pointed out was that IF Lebron's stats appear to look bad, then he really did have a bad game. On the contrary, what appears to be bad game for Kobe in the boxscore is often times not a bad game because Kobe adjusts his game MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY than Lebron. I watch both players, and between the two, Kobe surveys the game early on what he has to do. If he can help without filling up the boxscore, then he'll do it. If he needs to fill out the boxscore, then he'll do it. He isn't perfect, so this doesn't always happen and his team mates do a few times bail him out, but I pointed that out because when the Lakers win and Kobe's boxscore "appears bad", it misleadingly shows that somehow his team mates did it without Kobe when in fact the opposite is true. So the author's conclusion is incorrectly skewed towards Lebron. This has nothing to do with how often Lebron plays badly. Neither players play badly often. Do you see the difference?
Kobe is #1. Watching him play is a vision. You cant help but not just admire his scoring but the finesse of his game. In that way he is the only player to be compared with Jordan.
Go Kobe, Go Lakers................
Evan,
I understood your point the first time. I just do not agree. On the contrary, what appears to be bad game for Lebron in the boxscore is often times not a bad game because Lebron adjusts his game MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY than Kobe. IMO, Kobe is a slefish player (less so recently) which has been demonstrated since he has not won a championship since Shaq left him. It takes a team to win a championship. He has only changed his ways AFTER playing on Team USA and watching what a leader really does. He is now trying to model himself after Lebron. Also, I am willing to say when Lebron has a bad game, and he had one last night against the Bulls.
Sorry I don't put any value into your comment anymore because you explicitly stated that you do not watch Kobe often. How can you even put forth opinions to matters you don't even know about to begin with? Not to mention that the fact that you said Kobe only changed after the Olympics proves to everyone that you are misinformed. Sorry, I don't need to waste time with someone who only knows about one thing but not another, yet tries to pretend he knows about both. And just to let you know, not winning a championship after Shaq left doesn't show that Kobe is selfish. I guess using your logic, Lebron's selfish too because he hasn't won a championship ever. And don't tell me Lebron carried the Cavs to the finals because he didn't. Kobe would have gone to the finals easily if he were in the East.
Evan...Your ingnorance preceeds you. Typical Lake fan... You think your team is much more than they are. The Lakers will not win a championship as long as Kobe is on the team. He is a great individual player, terrible team player.
"Typical Lake fan... You think your team is much more than they are."
Making blind assumptions only make you look like a fool. I never even said the Lakers are good. No really, look above and try to find something, anything I said about the Lakers. Or whether I said I was a Laker fan. If you were astute enough, you would have been able to infer from my comments that I believe quite the contrary. Which allows me to conclude that, no, you never really did understand what I was saying at first. Nice try, "typical Lebron fan"...
"He is a great individual player, terrible team player."
Ignorance proved yet again.
Anyway this is the last interaction I'm having with you. No need to waste time bickering with an idiot, especially someone who shot himself in the foot by saying "I don't watch Kobe often". Have a great day!
how many rings does Lebron have htat seem's to be a good measure as to who is better
Great article. I think it goes without saying that LeBron is more complete overall basketball player. Kobe Bryant is a phenomenal shooter who has happened to play on some great teams in a big-time market. LeBron is a once in a generation talent capable of doing absolutely anything on the basketball court.
That Kobe is a nice leader..One day trying to lead the huddle saying they were going to win..just to do the lamest Sam Cassell big balls move and then lose..(what can you expect from a rapist?) and then lose to the Magic because he couldnt step up to the plate and close a game. Monday the Cavs will come into the Lakers house and hand them another loss. Kobe will neve lead anyone anywhere...
Nice article.
Fung Shui indeed. Even still, Lakers have a better team, but i believe the Cavs have a better player...this season.
So the bottom line is that Kobe has a better supporting cast than LeBron? No duh!